As things get hotter, the speed that the flamefront burns through the mixture becomes faster. See the flame color temperature chart below. With the grill off and cool, loosen the screw and rotate the adjustment sleeve. Nothing stops use from using some fiber part way around the burner to reducer excess secondary air induction, but don't over do it. The materials in the forges, mainly the refractory cement is typically rated for 3,000°F for a bit of wiggle room. However, with a bit of adjustments and the right airflow, it can be possibly to reach higher temperatures if necessary. My favorite burner is 1 1/4" pipe and it works best in a small forge. Paste as plain text instead, × Simond Store Double Burner Oval Knife Making Gas Forge. This forum is an invaluable well of knowledge. I also aimed the burner a little more towards the floor of the forge in case it was catching the refractory lining the burner port. The flame for this torch is around 6-10 inches long. Upload or insert images from URL. Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. Don't know if I need to tune the burner, if there are issues with my refractory, or something else that I might not have considered. Please, videos are a LOT of bandwidth and some of Iforge's members are still on dial up connections in more remote parts of the world and it costs them money. Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. I use a ball valve to adjust the air and like it. Any thoughts on where I might be going wrong here? Be sure the flare, or straight nozzle, is adjusted correctly in conformance with the tuning instructions. I'd try to eliminate any gaps between the burner and the forge as far as possible: any air getting in there (secondary air) is air you have no control over. The precise location of this control varies by manufacturer. They are usually found on the front of kitchen and camping stoves, on the top of propane heaters, and just below the glass mantles of propane lanterns. Casting vs. smithing with a gas forge Pete Resseguie-Snyder, That last class was the catalyst into blacksmithing. Thank you Tim for that excellent summary. Move the gas jet in and out (if possible with the burner you have), to get the smoothest flame. A yellow flame can be the cause of a bad air to gas ratio. The way my forge is set up, there is a 4" x 6" slot cut level with the deck inside the forge. A piece of cement board makes a good surface to set the forge on. Propane Forge Double Burner is pre-tuned to develop a natural flame and nozzle is designed to increase the burner efficiency. Click to see full answer It’s about 18 inches deep and maybe 10 inches high inside. Don't know if it tells a story, but cutting off the oxygen then cranking it back on kind of "reset" proper combustion, at least some of the time until the forge got really hot. Used for everything from lighting an outdoor campsite to heating homes and industries, propane is a fuel that is also very safe when handled correctly. Another thing for the to do list. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Since then, Kerr has contributed content to military-related magazines, not-for-profit websites and other online media. I like running the torch around 6-8 psi and adjust as needed. Wait a minute for the flame to settle in and see if you still have a yellow flame. By Thank you for any input you might have. Display as a link instead, × I did watch before and after and it seemed pretty visible on my tablet, but I'm a total noob when it comes to making and editing video content. Then you get to the 10 seconds that count and you start moving the camera around wildly so we can't see what's happening. This was using the blower at full out speed and adjusting the volume of propane for the best flame. Use the fuel control knob to either raise or lower the height of the flame and to ensure it remains the correct color. LPG blue flame colour burns 20°C higher than a natural gas blue flame colour. The best flame is achieved in the same manner as adjusting an acetylene torch. What was the purpose of closing and opening the choke? Not familiar with NYSDB just yet. Apply the match's flame to the fuel outlet. Look at them before sending and maybe make another video say in a dimly lit space or outdoors in the evening against a dark backdrop. I shot a quick video demonstrating the issue. With complete combustion, an LPG (Propane) gas burns with a blue flame and burns at a temperature of around 1,980°C, as noted on the flame color temperature chart. The same goes for the power cord to the blower.   Your previous content has been restored. × I had about a 20 degree angle from where it was obvious the gas was hitting the side of the burner tube on the top to where it was hitting on the bottom. If you don't know about them already, you have some additional other great resources here in Rochester:  the NYSDB group (http://www.nysdb.org/) and Arc and Flame (https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing). If the flame is noisy and appears to be floating off the burner the air shutter should be adjusted for less air flow. Note the color and shape of the propane's flame. Measure Your Pressure - The pressure gauge to determine and regulate your propane PSI. The mild steel I was heating barely got beyond an orange heat, not the yellow I am used to forging at. Once you get a proper regulator, you can dial down on that flame and save you arm hair. The precise location of this control varies by manufacturer. Thanks for the welcome, the feedback and thanks for giving it a go with my crap video. Hopefully over time I'll be able to contribute a thing or two. If the flame is too yellow the air shutter probably needs to be opened more. Did a sculpture/welding class there a few years before the center was officially established, then took a rustic folders class that my wife got me as a gift a little over a year ago. Looks like an amazing concentration of knowledge here. The blacksmith’s forge is an essential component of the blacksmithing trade, and could even be considered the very heart of the metal working process. Some thoughts on using the LPG (propane) forge, is it not meant to be a definitive guide and it is to be used at your own risk. To adjust the air gas mixture : 1. Hello everyone, I have no idea if I am in the correct forum for this or not because this is my first time, but I picked what I thought was closest. Hells Forge Propane Gas Double Single and MAX Burner Units for Blacksmithing, Bladesmithing, Knifemaking, Farrier Forge Tools, Large size provides max workspace. Gas burners burn blue if the ratio of fuel to air is correct. A gas flame should be about 1″ to 1.5″ long and should be blue with a white/yellow tip. Finally, capping off our list is this double … Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. Step 1. Turn on the gas and ignite the burner. You might have received more suggestions/views, if this was posted in the gas forges section. More complex appliances, such as propane kitchen stoves and furnaces, have electronic ignition devices requiring no input from a user. If you drop hot steel on a rubber propane hose, you will not like it all! Excited to learn more about why it works (or occasionally doesn't). Even with the occasional problems, I'm having blast learning this craft. The choke gives you control over the primary air and it's usually best to have all primary air to give maximum control. Honestly, you do NOT absolutely need a regulator but, you will find it near impossible to control the flame with a ball valve. It is also a good idea to cover the gas line with some flexible conduit. In order to build this forge burner, You will need a drill, a set of bits, and a couple of files. My first experience with the forge was not very satisfying. In addition, she writes a weekly column for her hometown newspaper, PhotoObjects.net/PhotoObjects.net/Getty Images. You can post now and register later. Proper operation of a propane stove, heater, lantern or other device includes regulation of the flame height and color to ensure nearly complete combustion. It's true acet is quicker, but used properly propane isn't much slower. The ORIGINAL HELLS FORGE BRAND ~ MADE IN THE USA! Watch the flame as you add fiber, to be sure you don't go too far. Ran for about 3 hours solid without any hiccups! To adjust the flame, … I get less time if I run it hotter. Opening the choke re-establishes a fuel/air mixture and this reaches the hot chamber where it ignites and the flamefront travels back into the burner tube. Adjust gas pressure to get a steady flame.Open the choke plate about 3/4 the way. Coleman: Troubleshooting Coleman stove that lights with a large yellow flame, Texsport: Instructions: Mantle Propane Lantern, Propane 101: LP Gas Furnace Installation, Service, and Repair. If you do, repeat the process until the yellow is almost eliminated. For example, turn off a Williams Blue Flame Unvented Gas Heater by pushing in the appliance's gas control knob lightly and turning it clockwise to the "Off" position. The major portion of the flame should be an electric blue color with only a hint of yellow or orange at its tip. Turn on the propane and light with a bbq lighter. Anyway, thanks again for the assistance! It has been running stable for months, but now after running for around 30 mins, the point of combustion shifts from the interior of the forge, to the end of the flair (about 1 inch inside the refractory). The forge is small enough that I can run the burner at under 5 psi and keep the interior at a good working temperature.However, this burner design does work well in larger forges, many large forges even use multiple burners.   You cannot paste images directly. I've been doing this for around 6-7 months so my knowlege is pretty limited. The flame is over 2 inches long and probably closer to 2 1/2 inches. Make sure that the area around the forge is free of combustible materials. Seriously it's so back lit so we can't tell what the burner's doing till it reaches about medium orange and not much then, seriously I have a better view of the trees through the forge than the flame. You don't read by putting the light on the far side do you? I did plug the burner port more effectively than before. Control The Flame - It allows you to adjust the pressure to control the flame intensity and turn your grill, turkey fryer, or other appliance up to any temperature. Insert a flat-blade screwdriver into the setscrew on the right side of the valve and twist counterclockwise to increase the gas-to-air ratio. Most propane gas forges operate between 2,300°F and 2,700°F. At about 3 min 10 sec, the flame speed became faster than the mixture speed and the flame travelled back into the burner tube. Here I am adjusting the jet to shoot straight down the burner tube. Ask a friend to describe the flame color and intensity in your Heat-n-Glo fireplace to help with your adjustments. Bear in mind that's JUST a guess. You need to adjust your fuel/oxy ratio to make the flame hotter and it wil be closer to the tip, maybe a 1/4" of blue would be correct. My friend and I converted an old natural gas fired brass melting furnace to a 3 burner propane forge and it won’t get hot enough for welding or even hot enough for thicker steel. I would use 5 to 10 # propane and 20 to 30 # oxy to cut 1/4" material. If you have a 1/2" of blue flame, that's way too much. I've read quite a bit about forge assembly, but might need to read more about forge maintenance. Instead of burning wood in a fireplace, some homeowners choose to install fireplace logs fueled by natural gas or propane. The pilot light on my propane gas logs seems very long to me and as a result I suspect it's wasteful too. I split the angle and tightened down the set screws. Needs More Air. If ignition does not occur in 5 seconds, turn the propane off, wait 5 minutes, and repeat the lighting process. It serves as additional exhaust and as a place a long workpiece can fit through. They are usually found on the front of kitchen and camping stoves, on the top of propane heaters, and just below the glass mantles of propane lanterns. Been spending my few spare hours after work trying to figure out technique but I'll be soaking in some time getting to know the forums. Remove any constricting rim or rough projections in the throat with a round file. A … All is fine because the mixture is moving along the tube faster than the flamefront can burn through the mixture towards the burner. Routine Inspection It’s vital for your safety that you routinely inspect your forge. If using a built-in spark ignitor incorporated into a kitchen stove, a house furnace, certain outdoor cooking grills, or a portable heater, the propane should ignite automatically. If the problem doesn't occur till 3:10 into the video why make us download and sit through 3 minutes of video for no discernible reason? Closing the choke starves the flame of Oxygen and the flame goes out. I cant keep a flame on mine unless its in the forge, it seems to need the backpressure from the forge to keep the flame in control. Is it? Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. I do sincerely appreciate it. Gas grill burners will have some sort of air adjustment at the end of the burner where the burner meets the valve orifice. Perfect for Forged In Fire fans. What makes a propane torch burn hotter? And maybe consider applying a bit more production value. Tighten the screw and relight the grill. I've figured out the how for constructing the forge and burner. If I use it in my larger forge its a lot more finicky to adjust. Yeah, Arc and Flame is a priceless resource. https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing. Appliance411: FAQ: What should my gas range's flame look like? Turn the setscrew clockwise to reduce air flow mixing with gas. Turn off gas to the appliance according to the manufacturer's directions. Not sure what changed over time since the forge remains fairly immobile. I did a complete teardown of my burner, cleaned everything and retuned it, moving the flair tube forward a little more than 1/4 inch further than before. The furnace has the heavy type fire brick lining it’s interior. Did you watch the video before posting it here? Not having enough experience to know what info's valuable and not, I just posted what I shot, hoping maybe the before/after with the sound would be telling. Using silica sand in a propane fireplace can limit the amount of propane that rises to the surface and decrease the size of the flames. But if the burner is out of adjustment, the gas flame will be yellow. I let it cool for about 15 mins to capture the transition. Will research, thank you. I'll be sure to close the garage door if I ever decide to troubleshoot in the future. Let’s get to it! valve on your propane tank and light. Once lit, controlling the ambiance and amount of heat produced is a matter of adjusting the flame of the fireplace gas logs. The problem starts 3 mins, 10 secs in: I built this based mostly on the David Hammer Super C Forge and burner design (minus the side access slot).   Your link has been automatically embedded. Before shooting the video, I has run for a little over 30 mins. You I'm back in business for now. Once in the tube, the tube heats up and the flame speed gets even higher. Measuring from 0-60 psi, it lets users control their heat with a precise level of accuracy Propane lantern or appliance with adjustment knob. The best I can do at this point is guess judging by the sound. Learn More Ah, thanks for the tip. I've browsed parts of the forum via google search results (mostly on forge construction, and trying to comprehend the basics of combustion) but I have not really done a deep dive yet. 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